INTERVIEW WITH RICHARD C. LARSON, MIT PROFESSOR OF
ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING AND DIRECTOR OF MIT'S CENTER FOR
ADVANCED EDUCATIONAL SERVICES (CAES)
On the home page of the Massachusetts Institute of
Technology (MIT) Center for Advanced Educational Services (CAES)
website, it is noted that "CAES is the main MIT facility for
support of, and research in, technology-facilitated
education."The Center,
which is associated with a wide variety of innovative
projects and programs, designs and conducts experiments in
technology-enabled learning and creates and distributes MIT
educational offerings worldwide.
CAES is comprised of six
primary groups: The Advanced Study Program (ASP), The Center
for Educational Computing Initiatives (CECI), The
Educational Media Creation Center (EMCC), MIT Video
Productions (MVP), The Professional Institute (PI) and
Streaming Media and Compression Services (SMCS). Within
these groups are a host of subgroups.
As explained on its website,
"CAES is involved in the design, implementation, and
management of a number of exciting technology-enhanced
learning programs and projects."
A small sampling of some of
this excitement includes the Singapore-MIT Alliance (SMA),
an innovative, part face-to-face and part
asynchronous-and-synchronous-distance-learning engineering
education and research collaboration with National
University of Singapore and Nanyang Technological
University.
There’s also MIT World, "a
free, open, video streaming web site that provides on-demand
video of significant public lectures and events at MIT.
Another project is called PIVoT, for Physics Interactive
Video Tutor. PIVOT "is a video-rich, interactive web-based
learning environment."
And there’s a great deal of
the extraordinary work coming out of CECI, such as Project
iCampus, Operation Futuro, the Database Visualization in 3D
Project, the Technology Enabled Active Learning Project, and
much more.
Basically there isn’t nearly
enough room here to talk about everything, so it is strongly
recommended to visit the CAES website at
http://cases.mit.org for a more complete overview of all
that’s going on within the groups and subgroups of the
Center.
And at the helm of all this
is Professor of Electrical Engineering and Director of CAES
Richard C. Larson. For Larson’s bio, please visit
http://caes.mit.edu/people/larson.html.
EP:
A theme we’ve seen in
some of your presentations centers around "inventing the
global classroom." What’s going on at MIT to facilitate the
growth of the global classroom?
Larson:
There are a number of issues. One is the question of
improved pedagogical models for distance learning in
general, nationally and internationally. How do you change
the pedagogy of distance learning compared to an on-campus
course to make it a good learning environment? We are trying
to figure out the right pedagogical model within the context
of the SMA program, and our newly evolving Cambridge/MIT
Institute (and other CAES programs).
EP:
What has your R & D
related to distance learning pedagogy shown you thus far?
Larson:
The issues are how much synchronous, how much asynchronous,
how much peer-to-peer learning, and how much active learning
can you do via the web versus in the classroom. We’ve tried
a combination of all these methods, and I can’t say that we
have found the silver bullet. I think the trend is to record
the lecture and then focus on the interactivity. Students
view the lectures asynchronously, and then we might have an
additional special class with the professor talking
interactively live with students on issues of a conceptual
nature, responding to homework questions, or having a
tutorial recitation.
EP:
What really excites
you about your research on the development of effective
pedagogical models for distance learning?
Larson:
Of particular interest to some of us is the question of what
replaces the broadcast lecture mode, and we have a number of
large experiments in that area. One is called the Physics
Interactive Video Tutor (PiVOT). The interesting thing about
PiVOT is that the students can digest material in a variety
of ways based on their own learning styles and needs. PiVot
requires that you have three servers in harmony: a web
server, a video server and a database server with an Oracle
database. We are spending major resources on creating
improved video tutor shells with more and more functionality
and robustness so you can pore any kind of content into this
- Shakespeare, economics, psychology - whatever you want.
EP:
What about the
challenge presented when dealing with high-bandwidth online
teaching and learning, especially since we’re talking about
lots of video streaming here?
Larson:
The lack of bandwidth is a short-term problem that should be
resolved soon. A lot of companies have gone bankrupt because
they created so much bandwidth. So, hopefully a lot of cheap
bandwidth will become quite accessible soon. So, I guess it
is either the last mile phenomenon, or often we run into the
corporate firewall phenomenon. Also, there are some places
where the Internet connection is not so good.. Other places
like Singapore, Korea and parts of Japan, for example, are
quite good.
EP:
So how do you see
these streaming-video-intensive pedagogical models
developing in the future?
Larson:
I see online pedagogy, using the web, and inventing new
pedagogical models still in their infancy. We are going to
find much more compelling pedagogical models. We are going
to finally ditch the old chalk-and-talk broadcast lecture
style and find out exactly how to utilize the web with all
of its complexity and enabling technologies. I think we are
not at a mature point. We haven’t solved this. We are at the
very beginning of figuring out how to do this.
EP:
Can you tell us what’s
going on inside MIT’s Academic Media Production Services
(AMPS) unit?
Larson:
Well there’s the Educational Media Creation Center (part of
AMPS), which is kind of a one-stop shop for web-based
production. In addition to being customer responsive, they
are also customer anticipatory. They are creating a course
management system called Stellar, which is currently being
used by MIT only. Its primary client is the SMA program.
AMPS also contains all of MIT’s video production
capabilities in MVP - MIT Video Productions. Also they have
MIT’s primary streaming media digitization and web hosting
facilities.
EP:
Why go through the
labor-intensive process of building another web platform
when there are course management systems like Blackboard and
WebCT that can provide such software?
Larson:
A lot of people talk about the straightjacket these (vendor)
web platforms can put you in. There is this thought that at
leading research universities we are so idiosyncratic; we
are so experimental; we are a little bit risk prone; we like
to try different things; and, in fact, we don’t want to be
in this kind of straightjacket. So Stellar is our first
attempt, starting at the low level, at the plumbing level
below the ground, those things that the applications people
care about. We are trying to get all the plumbing fixed so
it becomes invisible with interesting pedagogical models on
top. This is being married with a collaborative project
called the Open Knowledge Initiative (OKI).
EP:
Okay, there’s that
word "open" that we hear about so often. What exactly do you
mean by "open"?
Larson:
The idea is that, with the collaboration of maybe a dozen or
so Research One universities, we will get all the plumbing
fixed. As we also build above ground, we will have an open
architecture that these universities will support, that will
encourage people to develop pedagogical models on top that
are flexible and open, meaning open source, meaning
interoperable, scalable, reusable, extensible - all those
wonderful ables.
EP:
Also meaning OKI compliant...
How will this fit in with today’s alphabet soup of software
compliancy and standardization models?
Larson:
With regard to compliancy, we do have a lot of different
standards right now. Some of the standards are almost
competing with each other. We have to focus down so we end
up with one set of standards. You have SCORM; you have IMS;
you have OKI. You throw up your hands in disgust after a
while. It gives you an Excedrin headache. I have to say most
CAES activities put that in the background and assume that
this is going to sort itself out. The areas we are most
interested in are the pedagogical models. We will build them
on top of the prevailing architecture. The notion then is
that this will be supported by collaboration. Stanford is
one of the big collaborators. North Carolina State is
another. They are building the foundation. We can add, over
time, different pedagogical functionalities on top of this
platform. If the foundation is on granite rock below, you
don’t have to worry about other things, like authentication
and tying into legacy registrar’s databases. Hopefully all
this will be solved in the plumbing done below the ground.
EP:
How does CAES tie into
MIT’s highly publicized OpenCourseWare (OCW) Initiative, and
how much progress has OCW made thus far?
Larson:
Announcing OCW was a hallmark event, a ten-year effort
announced in one press release that was an 8.5 Richter
earthquake around higher education. Several CAES people are
involved in OCW, particularly Steve Lerman, who is the
interim manager until we get a full-time director. Some
staff members at CECI have played leadership roles. Also
Stellar will be the platform for OCW. There are about ten
OCW courses up for inspection by the MIT campus to give
feedback and suggestions. I think that by the end of the
summer they hope to have several dozen courses open to the
public. Also, our MIT World project is sort of a baby
sister of OCW.
EP:
We watched a
fascinating MIT World video lecture recently. Can you tell
us more about MIT World?
Larson:
It’s for those who say "I don’t only want course materials
from MIT; I also want to see some of the excitement going on
at MIT today." A lot of that excitement comes from an
average of eight public seminars, talks, colloquia,
lectures, etc. that are held each day from September 1
through May 31 on the MIT campus. Even those of us on campus
often can’t attend these because of conflicts. By recording
and making the event on-demand off the web, it allows
everybody to attend. But the key thing is that our alumni
said they wanted some electronic tethering to MIT over their
lifetime. So the alumni association is the primary driver
with us behind MIT World. Also, our office of
corporate relations and the industrial liaison program at
MIT like to see what’s going on. Some of these public
seminars talk about pre-publication research results. (For
instance), if it’s in the pharmaceutical area or the
chip-design area, this can be quite relevant to our
corporate partners.
EP:
This idea of sharing information
is really nothing new at MIT.
Larson:
That’s correct. There are probably more than 100 MIT courses
open to the public. You just have to go the MIT websites and
see what’s there, but they are all homegrown. If you’re
willing to take the idiosyncratic one course at a time,
there are lots of them up right now. (For example) with some
Lord Foundation money we put up a linear algebra course with
Gilbert Strang. He is one of the world’s leading researchers
and teachers in linear algebra. For many people these days
in the technical arena, it’s much more important than
calculus. All your animations and simulations out of
Hollywood require linear algebra. All of Strang’s 35
lectures are online for the world to see. So in some sense,
OCW is a continuation of MIT’s open policy that we had since
1995 or 1996. OCW is expansion and will make course material
more robust, more accessible and searchable.
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